Many of these (especially the first sequence) are formal exercises, there is no way that an attacker stops with his arm extended, waiting to be beaten up, or attacks with a combo which perfectly fits the kata. This kind of training has its purpose; in traditional kung fu, we do have some two man forms which have similar features. However, it is of utmost importance to understand that formal exercises are training tools and must not be mistaken for the true application of technique or a realistic combat simulation.
As I said, formal exercise. Low stances are trained in order to strengthen the legs and understand the distribution of bodyweight during the execution of technique. The hand to the hip "hikite" represents the act of pulling the opponent, or is a position assigned to the non-active hand during formal training.
Kata is supposed to represent a sequence of techniques against a single attacker coming in with multiple attacks. Each part comes if the previous fails.
How to deal with the differences between formal exercises and informal exercises, bunkai, and traditional karate conditioning, and a real fight? When asked by new students if I really know how to fight, I reply with no. I do not know how to fight. I only know how to do serious bodily harm, break things, and kill. I also say that you can learn to "spar" or kumite and it can be fun. If you want to learn to fight (hit and get hit) then take up boxing or JJ or wrestling. Think about this. Do you really want a street fight to last more than a few seconds? on the other hand, do you really want to kill someone who pissed you off and made the mistake of attacking you? What if that person was just was being an ass and you want to simply subdue him... pretend he was your drunken uncle or cousin. Much depends on the purpose of your training. It's all very good for you, albeit boring because it "appears" simple and useless.
seibukan in stage and in dojo is very different.. in dojo they dont show the bunkai kata like those on the stage.. i just wondering why? in the dojo are more practical and make sense, but on stage, what the...
I'm shorin-ryu practitioner, but I dont really into seibukan.. so I think, almost all school of okinawan karate dont want to show the true meanig of kata on public..
Very nice video and very nice technique. But curious, what is the main stance used in the forms? Looks like fudo datchi or shiko datchi. Is there a particular name for this stance?
@@heze20 It was a long time ago, but basically their training was probably geared more toward the average Okinawan kid and not the short-attention span kid like me. Training was slow and repetitious and there was some focus and toughening up your forearms, shins, etc. The sensei would take a stick wrapped in rope and bang it on your arms, legs...that kind of thing. Plus the heat, in the summer, was oppressive...you could sweat clear through your belt.
Distance beginner Karate with long overly big and static movements. Do these techniques apply to close quarter grabbing, aggressive, stand up wrestling, dirty stuff huuum ?
I think they do BUT I don't believe these bunkai. For one thing they don't show the application of the hikite. Also, in cross step maneuvers.. I believe those when one leg cross steps IN FRONT OF the other leg simulates a low, oblique kick, to the knee shins or instep. Here, they show it as a way of covering distance. BUT it does not make practical sense to do that. I think this bunkai leaves a LOT out.
it looks really high level but especially in the end part the tecniques aren't really different to the ones we do in our one step sparring in taekwondo. This is really basic level bunkai , block + punch
It could be that they've been slowed down to emphasize a particular detail or because the motion would be dangerous if done quickly when drilling it with a partner (Like a joint wrench or neck crank). Or it could just be for aesthetic reasons :)
I can't believe people are still teaching utterly unrealistic competently nonsensical bunkai like this in this day and age. It's crap like this that gives karate a bad name. For the love of god stop! You do not understand karate, you do not understand kata and you have no understanding of the realities of non consensual criminal violence that kata was designed to counter. It is not for use by karate-ka protecting themselves from other karat-ka who are using karate style attacks. "The techniques of the kata were never developed to be used against a professional fighter in an arena or on a battlefield. They were, however, most effective against someone who had no idea of the strategy being used to counter their aggressive behaviour." - Motobu
I think this is to give a simple idea on how to apply these moves , for the sake of beginners who don't know why they do the move !. I was taught that the first two starting moves of seisan (chudan uke on shikodachi followed by yaku suki on zekusudachi) sets up for a throw on the third move (moving behind leg forward and stopping on a shikodachi with chudan uke !).
@trishti nothing is eroded here !😂. There are great karatekas in the UFC itself . And UFC is a sport with rules , don't forget that . In a combat sport with rules , styles which ace the game will triumph. Such won't be the case , when it comes to real NHB fighting . And old school karate's purpose was to enable the practitioner to protect themselves armed/unarmed threats.
I once saw them, showing the seisan kata true meaning.. and it was "completly different" between in dojo and on the stage.. it was couple years ago, but I still remember all movement are devestating moves.. but not like those on stage..
Many of these (especially the first sequence) are formal exercises, there is no way that an attacker stops with his arm extended, waiting to be beaten up, or attacks with a combo which perfectly fits the kata. This kind of training has its purpose; in traditional kung fu, we do have some two man forms which have similar features. However, it is of utmost importance to understand that formal exercises are training tools and must not be mistaken for the true application of technique or a realistic combat simulation.
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training for what, for drilling muscle memory of standing in a shitty low position or retracting your hand to the hip?
As I said, formal exercise. Low stances are trained in order to strengthen the legs and understand the distribution of bodyweight during the execution of technique. The hand to the hip "hikite" represents the act of pulling the opponent, or is a position assigned to the non-active hand during formal training.
@@pernologos84 yes, but ive seen no pulling in that kata interpretation here
Kata is supposed to represent a sequence of techniques against a single attacker coming in with multiple attacks. Each part comes if the previous fails.
Congratulations! 😊🙏
Good demo for students to understand fundamentals behind kata which all new comers find boring or even useless.
How to deal with the differences between formal exercises and informal exercises, bunkai, and traditional karate conditioning, and a real fight? When asked by new students if I really know how to fight, I reply with no. I do not know how to fight. I only know how to do serious bodily harm, break things, and kill. I also say that you can learn to "spar" or kumite and it can be fun. If you want to learn to fight (hit and get hit) then take up boxing or JJ or wrestling. Think about this. Do you really want a street fight to last more than a few seconds? on the other hand, do you really want to kill someone who pissed you off and made the mistake of attacking you? What if that person was just was being an ass and you want to simply subdue him... pretend he was your drunken uncle or cousin. Much depends on the purpose of your training. It's all very good for you, albeit boring because it "appears" simple and useless.
seibukan in stage and in dojo is very different..
in dojo they dont show the bunkai kata like those on the stage.. i just wondering why?
in the dojo are more practical and make sense, but on stage, what the...
Ha ha . I felt the same way! 😂
I'm shorin-ryu practitioner, but I dont really into seibukan..
so I think, almost all school of okinawan karate dont want to show the true meanig of kata on public..
That's the "show" version of it.
@@injunjack then it is worth nothing...
@@michide72 That's what you get when you watch youtube. Join a school that teaches Seibukan, you get more....
Works well for me since 1973
Very nice video and very nice technique. But curious, what is the main stance used in the forms? Looks like fudo datchi or shiko datchi. Is there a particular name for this stance?
good teaching, demonstrations are top
I studied motoburyu in Okinawa...only lasted a month. I was never so bored.
Please tell me about your experience
@@heze20 It was a long time ago, but basically their training was probably geared more toward the average Okinawan kid and not the short-attention span kid like me. Training was slow and repetitious and there was some focus and toughening up your forearms, shins, etc. The sensei would take a stick wrapped in rope and bang it on your arms, legs...that kind of thing. Plus the heat, in the summer, was oppressive...you could sweat clear through your belt.
From where did you learn motobu ryu in Okinawa?
@@joshua_here5849 too long ago to remember, sorry
Sometimes in dojo show bunkai . But ifsomeone requests for it
Distance beginner Karate with long overly big and static movements. Do these techniques apply to close quarter grabbing, aggressive, stand up wrestling, dirty stuff huuum ?
Yup you just have to understand them, like math addition in a way taught you to multiply.
I think they do BUT I don't believe these bunkai. For one thing they don't show the application of the hikite. Also, in cross step maneuvers.. I believe those when one leg cross steps IN FRONT OF the other leg simulates a low, oblique kick, to the knee shins or instep. Here, they show it as a way of covering distance. BUT it does not make practical sense to do that. I think this bunkai leaves a LOT out.
Every karate technique starts with a grab, even the "karate punch"
May I know the intro musik if it is possible to download?
Thanks
it looks really high level but especially in the end part the tecniques aren't really different to the ones we do in our one step sparring in taekwondo.
This is really basic level bunkai , block + punch
That was hanshi zenpo shimabukuros son ,right ?
Yes, that's Zenshun.
Yes
What is the name of this kata?
Seisan
I have a question please: Is there any particular meaning or significance of movements that are done slowly in kata?
It could be that they've been slowed down to emphasize a particular detail or because the motion would be dangerous if done quickly when drilling it with a partner (Like a joint wrench or neck crank). Or it could just be for aesthetic reasons :)
AFAIK the slow movements represents joint locks or throws, but it may be just one of many reasons why they are put in kata
This is not the Bunkai.
I understand the bunkai, but in real life two guys will not be attacking like that...
budo = not a sport. Sport = rules
hmmm needing full speed; if they are black belts let them rip it out
I can't believe people are still teaching utterly unrealistic competently nonsensical bunkai like this in this day and age. It's crap like this that gives karate a bad name. For the love of god stop! You do not understand karate, you do not understand kata and you have no understanding of the realities of non consensual criminal violence that kata was designed to counter. It is not for use by karate-ka protecting themselves from other karat-ka who are using karate style attacks. "The techniques of the kata were never developed to be used against a professional fighter in an arena or on a battlefield. They were, however, most effective against someone who had no idea of the strategy being used to counter their aggressive behaviour." - Motobu
I think this is to give a simple idea on how to apply these moves , for the sake of beginners who don't know why they do the move !. I was taught that the first two starting moves of seisan (chudan uke on shikodachi followed by yaku suki on zekusudachi) sets up for a throw on the third move (moving behind leg forward and stopping on a shikodachi with chudan uke !).
@trishti nothing is eroded here !😂. There are great karatekas in the UFC itself . And UFC is a sport with rules , don't forget that . In a combat sport with rules , styles which ace the game will triumph. Such won't be the case , when it comes to real NHB fighting . And old school karate's purpose was to enable the practitioner to protect themselves armed/unarmed threats.
I once saw them, showing the seisan kata true meaning.. and it was "completly different" between in dojo and on the stage.. it was couple years ago, but I still remember all movement are devestating moves.. but not like those on stage..
I don't like or agree with these formalized exercises either. But your comment is a logical fallacy. MMA has little to do with self defense.
@trishti Clearly you don't understand proper karate.